Thursday, June 7, 2007

The Dumb Mind of a Bigot

While surfing the blogosphere, I came across more anti-semitic rants about Israel, Zionism, the US and how those Jews are just plain evil. In response to a comment that I posted on a leftist Muslim "Americans" blog, one moron posted an ingeniously titled article: "Zionism Sucks".
Just to respond:

Let's get something quite clear: Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism
Every people in the world has a certain land to which it is tied. Every religion has some sort of religious center. Catholicism has Rome, Muslims have Mecca.
Israel is an integral part of Judaism. Many of the religius commandments of Judaism can only be performed in Israel. The Jewish holidays are calculated by the seasons in Israel. Jews are unlike any other people because they are at once a religious group and a national group. Israel and Jerusalem are central to Judaism. When the Jews were exiled by the Babylonians over 2500 years ago, they weeped "If I forget thee O Jerusalem, may my right hand lose its cunning". Three times a day, Jews pray to be returned to Israel and to Jerusalem. Jews declare at the end of every Passover seder "Next Year in Jerusalem!". The Jew has never forgotten his home.
Jerusalem is mentioned over 800 times in the Jewish scriptures. It is NEVER mentionned in the Qur'an. Islam is based in Mecca, that is why Muslims pray in that direction 5 times a day. Jews pray towards Jerusalem 3 times a day.
Why should Zionism be singled out amongst all of the nationalistic movements of all the various peoples in the world, for criticism and demonization? Is French nationalism racist? Can a person say that he loves the Chinese but believes that China should be destroyed and that the Chinese people have no connection to it? The Jews are entitled, as are evry other people, to have a homeland of their own. We deserve our land and we have the right to self-determination, a right that all peoples have. You don't have to be a Zionist- just don't deny that you are an anti-semite.
He also said that Israel should respond to Arab shootings and murderer bombings with "love". This is what I have to say:

Anti-Zionist says:
It will only be solved through loving one's neighbor. And forget about "you can't fight the islamic terrorists with love", because you don't know that. It's never happened before.

Actually, it has. Every time that Israel has extended the olive brach to the Arabs, it has received war and terror. Israel's declaration of Independence declares:
WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

When Israel liberated the Gza Strip, Judea and Samaria, the quality of life drastically improved. Israel built schools, hospitals and a modern infrastructure which contributed to the Arab population boom.
Israel has repeatedly sought peace with its Arab neighbours. Israel signed the foolish and dangerous Oslo Accords which would have effectively led to a Palestinian State. Israel's generosity was met with suicide bombings, which only began after Israel offered up so much, and over 1000 dead Jews. The guns that Israel gave to Arab policement were in turn used to kill Israelis.
In 2000 Ehud Barack offered Arafat, may he burn in hell, over 95% of the West Bank and 100 % of Gaza for a Palestinian State. The Palestinians were offered a capital in East Jerusalem and compensation for the "refugees". Yasser Arafat refused this offer and was later blamed by Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah for being the cause of the derailment of the peace process.
Israel's settlements in Judea and Samaria are not the cause of the Arab anger. The Arabs rioted in 1920-21 and in 1929 and then again in the couple years before the Rebirth of the State, in violent riots that left hundreds of Jews murdered and millions of dollars of property destroyed. What was the Arab anger then. Was it the Occupied land of '67? There will never be any peace because the Arabs want ALL of Israel and will not tolerate any Jews living there.


Der Baron von Bornstein said...

Zionism is not an integral part of Judaism.

If it were, there wouldn't be organizations like

Let me be clear.
Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism.

I am a Jew, I am a Semite.
I am not against Jews, or Semites of any variety. I am against fascism, I am against militarism, and my problem with the Israeli State has less to do with the Israelis themselves, than the State aspect of it. States are corrupt by nature. If I were an Anti-Semite, (a word hateful folks like you enjoy throwing around) I would be against Jews in general. I like Jews, I love Jews, I am a Jew.
I am against borders. Borders of any variety. We are ALL human, whatever we believe in.

When your fascist ass understands that, you can start throwing words around.

And further- If you're really "Pro Victory" and want to "End the Arab Occupation of Jewish Land", two EXTREMELY militaristic and fascistic things to say, you'll pick up a rifle and go do it yourself, you pussy.
Why aren't you in the US military or the Israeli military? Is it because you're too fat? Too stupid? Insane? No, its because you like to hide behind the pulpit of your blog and shout, like many other Pro-Zion fascists, ridiculous, hateful, and stupid slogans and other shit that has been repeated a thousand times.

You just aren't original in your hate.

Bar Kochba said...

Are you so sure that Israel is not important to Judaism? Let's review the sources.
-The Land of Israel is just one level below the Garden of Eden (Kuzari)
- It is better to sleep in the deserts of the Land of Israel, and not in the palaces of other lands (Breishit Rabah 39)
- The first man, Adam, was created in the Land of Israel and died there (Kuzari).
- Our Sages say: Whoever lives in the Land of Israel, his sins are forgiven… even if he walks four cubit in the Land he merits the World to Come(Maimonides, Laws of Kings 5:11).
- All prophecies took place either in the Land of Israel or for the Land of Israel (Kuzari 2:14).
- Ten measures of wisdom came down to the world. The Land of Israel took nine of them, and the remaining one was for the entire world (Talmud Kidushin 49:B).
- Living in the Land of Israel is equivalent to fulfilling all the commandments of the Torah (Nachmanides on Leviticus 18:25).
- The Land of Israel is complete in its very essence because it is the first point of creation (Rabbi Shlomo Alkebetz).
- The sanctity of the Land of Israel and Jerusalem is eternal and will never change (Chatam Sofer).
- See how dear the Land of Israel is before the Holy One Blessed Be He, that most of the commandments are determined there (Batei Midrashot 1).
- G-d's eyes are always on the Land of Israel from the beginning of the year to the end of the year (Deuteronomy 11:12).
- The Land of Israel is higher than all other lands (Zevachim 54).
- G-d said: The Land is Mine, and the People of Israel is Mine. I will give My Land to My People (Tanchumah, Bamidbar 34).

These are just a small selection. But I'm sure than Mainmonides, Nachmanides, the Talmud, the Torah and all the other rabbis have NO idea what Judaism entails.
I'm not telling you to support Israel, just recognize what Judaism is and what Judaism believes. Agree with it or not, just know what it says.

P.S. All Israeli at 18 go to the army. Many of them hold similar Zionist views. Does that add legitimact to these views in your eyes?
P.P.S. If I didn't fight in WWII against the Nazis, does that mean that I have no right to oppose Nazism and Fascism?

southfield_2001 said...

"Anti-Zionist says:
It will only be solved through loving one's neighbor. And forget about "you can't fight the islamic terrorists with love", because you don't know that. It's never happened before."

ROFLMAO! Anti-Zionist is a comedy act!

southfield_2001 said...

hey, baron, Judaism isn't an integral part of zionism, either (lots of non-Jewish zionists), but the two go together pretty well.
Put away your John Lennon records and take a look at the world around you. The Jews have their historical homeland and it's deserved.
You wanna get rid of all borders? Great. How about starting with the ones whose current government are autocratic or thugocracies and whose citizens really need some freedom?

Der Baron von Bornstein said...

I do not listen to John Lennon.
You want to listen to some music that advocates peace but is more updated than that hippie bullshit?
Check out Against Me!, or anything by the Riot Folk Collective.

I am no hippie;
I am a peace punk. Call me a hippie all you want, but the peace signs I wear are on my combat boots.

But that's all besides the point.
I am an anarchist.
I am against the Israeli State just as much as I'm against the Palestinian National Authority.
They're both corrupt governments, and do not represent the people they pretend to serve. It's all a crock of shit.

It's fantastic that the Jews have a 'homeland'. I'm happy that they do.
I want them to have a homeland that isn't being contested day and night by other peoples that once lived on that land. Those folks are now Oppressed, with a big O. They live in camps, they have no political voice, and the only folks who 'represent' them are actual fucking terrorists.

Likewise, the Israeli people are represented by a militaristic, terroristic government which is also fucking ridiculous.

That all needs to end if any peace is to be seen.