Tuesday, August 21, 2007

Peace with the Religion of Peace?

Here's a nice story that I read on Arutz-7. A delegation of Indian Muslim leaders is on a historical visit to Israel and they have even thrown in a few words of praise for the Jewish State. Will this be the start of a new relationship between Jews and Muslims? Doubt it, but it still is nice. Here goes:

In a first-of-its-kind visit, a delegation of Indian Muslim leaders is currently on an extensive tour of Israel. The group's leader repeatedly expressed his pleasure at having his preconceptions about Israel overturned. The Muslim leaders' visit to Sderot on
A delegation of rabbis, including Chief Rabbi Yonah Metzger, made a similar trip to India.
Monday included a first-hand lesson on Palestinian Authority rocket attacks.

The Indian Muslim visit to Israel was arranged at the invitation of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) and the Australian Israel Jewish Affairs Council. Earlier this year, a delegation of rabbis, including Chief Rabbi Yonah Metzger, made a similar trip to India.

Maulana Jamil Ilyasi, president of the All India Organisation of Imams and Mosques, is heading the Indian delegation. His group represents about 500,000 imams and 200 million Indian Muslims, 40% of the global Muslim population. Among the other members of the delegation are Akhtarul Wasey, the head of the department of Islamic Studies at Jamia Millia Islamia, Mahmoodur Rahman, former vice chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University (AMU), and Sahara Samay editor Aziz Burney.

According to the Indo-Asian News Service (IANS), when the Hindustan Express carried a front-page story about the visit of prominent Muslims to Israel, at least one member of the group, Sirajuddin Qureshi, dropped out. As a major meat exporter, Qureshi " feared the news of his journey to Israel could adversely affect his business prospects," according to IANS. The news agency noted that the visit has caused controversy among Indian Muslims.
If Imams wouldn't teach hatred of Israel in the first place, there would be no fear or losing business. Shame that business comes before peace.

'Muslims in India Should Come See for Themselves'
"The Jews I have met here say that we are all children of Abraham, part of the same family," Imam Ilyasi said with a measure of surprise. "This is something I didn't hear in India. The Muslims in India should come and see things for themselves."

Ilyasi said his visit had reversed many of his own prejudices: "My initial impression was that the Israelis are certainly dominating Muslims out here. Once I came here, that impression completely changed. I saw the reality on the ground, the mutual respect Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews have for each other. Constant conflict is not the reality here." In Jerusalem, he said, "I saw that Muslims, Christians and Jews lived side by side happily, not at each other's throats." Maybe we should pay for liberal to go for a trip to Israel? How about CAIR?

In fact, Ilyasi claimed, in some ways, Israel treats Muslims better than India does: "I was pleasantly surprised to know that the Sharia (Islamic law) is being supported by the Israeli government; whereas, in India, only local Muslims implement it. That is unique." Ilyasi was apparently referring to the existence of government-sanctioned Islamic courts in the Israeli justice system, which handle marriage, divorce and conversion issues for Muslim Israelis. Similar religious courts exist for Jews and Christians.

Rabbi David Rosen, AJC's international director of inter-religious affairs in New York, said, "This visit is of great strategic importance and hopefully will impact on the wider Muslim world as well."
Unfortunately, the Muslim delegation also learned a different lesson on Monday, while visiting the Negev city of Sderot, a frequent target of Palestinian Authority rocket attacks. Where did the Palestinian Muslims get this idea of fighting against Israel? Could it have been froom Qur'an? Why didn't the Imams bring verses and Qur'anic support to disprove the jihadist interpretation of Islam.

"We heard a warning shot which was followed by a siren. We were immediately rushed to a shelter house where we heard the sound of a rocket attack," a member of the delegation told the Times of India.
The delegation of Muslim Indian leaders took part in an inter-religious dialogue on Sunday with representatives of the Chief Rabbinate, which concluded with the signing of a joint declaration with the two Chief Rabbis, Rabbi Yonah Metzger and Rabbi Shlomo Amar.

It is high time for the religious leaders of both sides to engage in dialogue and use their collective influence to stop the bloodshed of innocent civilians," the declaration said. "Rather, we need to condemn killings, reject extremism, and the misuse of religion for acts of violence. Suicide is a forbidden act in Islam and therefore suicidal attacks can not find sanction."

Religious leaders on both sides? Which rabbi was it that commanded Jews to blow themselves up in Gaza cafes? Its hardly a matter of 'violence on both sides'. Also, is the only reason why suicide bombings are wrong because suicide is forbidden in Islam? I would have thought that it was because innocent men, women and children are murdered. Suicide is against Islam- martyrdom is not. Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Badr, Muhammad was in desperate need for men to push into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.
Until imams clearly state why suicide attacks and other attrocities are forbidden under Islamic law and according to which surahs and ahadith instead of stating vaguely that Islam forbids killing civilians (the question is who is a civilian. According to many Islamic scholar, non-Muslims have rejected Allah and therefore cannot be innocent), jihadists will have the upper hand in their interpretation of Islam.
Muslim Indian leaders took part in an inter-religious dialogue on Sunday
Even before his visit to Israel, Ilyasi said that Indian Muslims "believe in the Indian tradition of resolving issues through dialogue and peaceful means."

"The time for violence has come to an end, and the era of peace and dialogue between Muslims and Jews has begun," said Ilyasi. He also called on Pakistan to establish official relations with the Jewish State.

The Indian delegation was also received by President Shimon Peres, who said that whereas past international efforts focused on separating religion from the state, the current struggle is to separate all religions from all types of terrorism. Peres went on to say that the One God respects human life without distinction and hate. "We are all children of Abraham," the President said, adding, "Jerusalem is a living example of co-existence among all the religions. The voice of the Muslim muezzin, the bells of the Christian church and the song of the Jewish cantor - all rise together to Heaven, unhindered, without borders, and with no need for visas."

President Peres also noted the Indian struggle against terrorism and factionalism, praising the country for maintaining its democratic character throughout.

This story is nice and makes us feel good. Its a very good gesture that Muslims leaders are recognizing Israel but its still not enough. Its time for Muslims around the world to protest the supposed hijacking of Islam with as much zeal as they did the publication of Muhammad cartoons.


Jungle Mom said...

I know it's not very PC, but I don't trust any muslim...anywhere...ever!

WomanHonorThyself said...

hiya Bar!..I dont trust it for one NY minute..sorry!

marallyn ben moshe said...

shalom Bar...how wonderful to meet you...thanks for dropping in to my blog and i would love to add you to my links...keep the word going out there...not all muslims are terrorists BUT all terrorists are muslims...but don't get me started...i'm off to meet my 84 year old mom downtown for lunch...every time there was a suicide bombing downtown her cupboards flew open...anyway i'll link you when i get back tonight...thanks...have a great day...stay safe

Always On Watch said...

Have you heard about Robert Spencer's new book The Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't?

ZionistYoungster said...

I second Jungle Mom. If the Hindus expel all the Muslims from India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh--Indian territories stolen by the Muslims in 1947), I won't shed a tear. Not even one.

Drive out the evildoers, the Muslims, wherever they are!

falcon_01 said...

Proverbs 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

najistani said...

I recently found an interesting article by Rebecca Bynum concerning the theological roots of Islamic evil. This article seems to have been overlooked by most of the counter-jihad blogs, which is a pity since it gives an incisive analysis of the differences between the Judeo-Christian father-God and the demonic Allah.

Islam preaches a perverted and distorted view of God which blocks the human soul from ever progressing along its path beyond the barrier of Mohammed's cosmically-projected , montrously depraved ego - aka Allah.

The full article is at http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=4557&sec_id=4557 , here are some quotes:

"Allah does not respect the free will of man, in fact, human free will is illusory at best.

By this logic, all three thousand people who lost their lives on September 11, 2001 as a result of jihad action would have died at that hour regardless. And furthermore, because Allah did not intervene, it was Allah’s will that it happened. The jihadis who perpetrated this act, were only puppets on a stage, obeying the will of Allah according to a pre-written script. They did not cause all those deaths and all that destruction; rather, according to Islamic logic, Allah caused it as punishment for our sins, the sins of America as a collective entity.

This further reduces to: everything that occurs in the reality of the material world we live in is a direct result of Allah’s will. Human will is but an instrument of the will of Allah and therefore does not have an independent existence in the overall trend of Islamic thought. " .....

"I contend this is the equivalent to asserting not that everything is God’s will, but rather that nothing is God’s will, or even that there is no God, because there is no distinction between what is and what is not God’s will in the reality of the material world: the good and the evil deeds of man are both equally and ultimately the result of the will of God. In this view, as the Pope pointed out, God’s purpose is so transcendent as to be unknowable, which is to say, God is unknowable to the individual. And again there is no practical difference between that and the assertion that God does not exist, for His will, and therefore God himself, according to Islam, cannot be known. This is equivalent to saying that the difference between good and evil cannot be known, and this is so regardless of the existence of a list of accepted and prohibited actions put forth as “God’s will” by Islam on the basis of Muhammad’s example as the ultimate arbiter between truth and error. Goodness and Truth do not have an independent existence in Islam; they are entirely dependent on the Islamic creed."

"Furthermore, according to Winston Churchill, the Muslim belief in predestination engenders a “fearful, fatalistic apathy” which “paralyses the social development of those who follow it,” for Allah’s will is fixed in a one-size-fits-all pattern and is not unique to the individual believer. The individual’s relationship to Allah is bound completely by the believer’s obedience to Islam. Therefore, believers in Islam are actually barred from the greatest adventure known to man, that of finding God (goodness, truth and beauty) as an individual experiential reality. This is so because Allah’s will is so transcendent as to be incomprehensible. Thus the “testing” of the believer is reduced to a test of conformity to the creed rather than a testing of the ability to discover what is right and true uniquely for himself. This is equivalent to Allah is Dead. The most heinous acts, collective and individual, can be rationalized as “Allah’s will” and this of course is a prescription for social chaos."...

"Indeed, if morality is not conceived and actuated as being an individual matter, must it not at some point become coercive and cruel? And what could be conceived of as more cruel than the removal of an individual’s God-given freedom? Under Islam, the removal of that freedom is so complete as to deny it exists at all."

"The unspoken assertion here is that the divine will can be known, that good and evil can be distinguished by reason, and that God can be approached through the mind – by our decisions first to know good and to then be good. In Islam, on the contrary, the bridge to God through the reasoning mind is cut. Allah demands unquestioning obedience and total sacrifice, including the sacrifice of the ability to know good from evil as an individual, private matter, for the will of Allah is not a personal experience. The Islamic system has totally usurped the place of the living God for the believer: worship and obedience are one."

"And reason cannot compromise with unreason without destroying the basis for its existence. By the same token, unreason cannot become reasonable without destroying itself as well. There is simply no way the hoped-for “reform” of Islam by way of reason would not end in Islam’s ultimate destruction, but this is not an outcome to be feared. It should be welcomed"

najistani said...

British Labour party funded by terrorists:


Hat tip Green Arrow at http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/08/muslim-friends-of-labour.html