tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post4496973542044162932..comments2023-11-03T05:51:16.392-07:00Comments on For Zion's Sake: The Ariel Blood LibelAvihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-40301030337530095102008-04-13T12:21:00.000-07:002008-04-13T12:21:00.000-07:00Kahaneloyalist: first, agreed as per Yair Stern. S...Kahaneloyalist: first, agreed as per Yair Stern. Second, my apologies for any indignation on your part concerning my Yesha Council comment. I'll call you. We have a lot to discuss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-9466806649989111772008-04-13T11:35:00.000-07:002008-04-13T11:35:00.000-07:00YA, that comment makes no sense as Hitler yimach s...YA, that comment makes no sense as Hitler yimach shmo, was already persecuting the Jews when Yair Stern hy'd made contact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-38564624114206682522008-04-13T11:03:00.000-07:002008-04-13T11:03:00.000-07:00Ah, so as long as Hitler limited his persecution t...Ah, so as long as Hitler limited his persecution to non-Jews Stern was willing to go along with it. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--<BR/> because I was not a communist;<BR/>Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--<BR/> because I was not a socialist;<BR/>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--<BR/> because I was not a trade unionist;<BR/>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--<BR/> because I was not a Jew;<BR/>Then they came for me--<BR/> and there was no one left to speak out for me."<BR/><BR/>Martin NiemollerProgressive Pinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14464725288335587328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-15790404238161364492008-04-13T07:14:00.000-07:002008-04-13T07:14:00.000-07:00Eitan, the Shamgar commission was mounted by the I...Eitan, the Shamgar commission was mounted by the Israeli government and was led by retired Supreme Court Justice Shamgar, who no one would ever accuse of being anything but a Leftist. That commission said the PLO was planning a massacre bigger then the one in 1929, beyond which their are flyers put out by Fatah bragging of the planned massacre, when you return to Israel I will introduce you to a Jew who kept one.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore I take offense at your suggestion that if the commission had been connected to the YESHA council it must be skewed. Why do you say it is impossible for someone to put aside their own views in the search for objective truth. Judaism disagrees and says the seal of Hashem is himself is truth, we must search and accept the truth even if it opposes what we would like to believe.<BR/><BR/>Activist, what Yair Stern zt'l was attempting to do was a straight bribe, if the Nazis wouldnt kill the Jews of Europe the Lechi would assist them in their war effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-19147668563525875142008-04-13T06:48:00.000-07:002008-04-13T06:48:00.000-07:00Raziel, as Rosh Irgun planned and mounted pre-empt...Raziel, as Rosh Irgun planned and mounted pre-emptive strikes as well as retributions. Goldstein's massacre was neither. I didn't hear of any comission but if had connection to the Yesha council it was skewed (and you know why). <BR/><BR/>Activist: Sure Stern wanted to cooperate with the Nazis. That was before news of the massacres in Europe arrived in Palestine and took place at a time when Mandate Palestine was being held on to by the Brits in spite of all our efforts to create a Jewish homeland. You must take circuimstances into consideration before passing judgement.<BR/><BR/>Deborah: You're a hypocrite. We realize why you're helping. However, money is money, and I don't think Israel will refuse your dough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-91954996434369479562008-04-13T05:34:00.000-07:002008-04-13T05:34:00.000-07:00By the way KL, Stern wanted to collaborate with th...By the way KL, Stern wanted to collaborate with the Nazis.<BR/><BR/>You must either be very confused or very evil if you think of these people as heroes.Progressive Pinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14464725288335587328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-73959570095269005822008-04-13T00:16:00.000-07:002008-04-13T00:16:00.000-07:00Eitan, why dont you read the conclusion of the Sha...Eitan, why dont you read the conclusion of the Shamgar commission which investigated Dr. Goldstein's heroic actions, they themselves admitted a massacre was planned. <BR/><BR/>Eitan are you aware Raziel's first action was to kill 2 random arabs as revenge for a terror attack? They were chosen entirely at random and had no connection to Arab terrorism. So I again say, if you condemn Baruch then condemn David Raziel as well.<BR/><BR/>BK, your LOR will have to take it up with Rambam Hilchot Melachim Perek 6, and Rav Dov Lior shlita who is possibly the Gadol HaDor, they would disagree with him quite strongly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-59702278486842926752008-04-12T23:22:00.000-07:002008-04-12T23:22:00.000-07:00Bar: You actually buy into the conspirace theory: ...Bar: You actually buy into the conspirace theory: that Baruch prevented a massacre? I've heard all about it. When it happened I was 19, naive and with Kach. People began saying the Arabs had had weapons hidden beneath their prayer rugs and were preparing a massacre. There's still no viable proof to that affect. Like you said he killed innocent people.<BR/><BR/>Yair Stern and David Raziel led the war against the British Mandate (Yair died of British fire and David in Baghdad) and the Arabs. They considered civilian casualties not an means to an end but an ends to a means. There's a big difference between these.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-41916557394029912752008-04-12T22:13:00.000-07:002008-04-12T22:13:00.000-07:00I spoke to my LOR (local Orthodox rabbi) and he ex...I spoke to my LOR (local Orthodox rabbi) and he explained to me that it is permissible to kill civilians if necessary, but if it unecessary and serves no purpose, it should not be done. If they were simply Muslims praying peacefully at Mearat HaMachpela, what good will killing them do? (It is similar to the yeshiva massavre, chas v'shalom). However, it was in self-defense and Goldstein prevented a pogrom.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-16833649828906610862008-04-12T22:09:00.000-07:002008-04-12T22:09:00.000-07:00Eitan, BK, if you condemn the Tzadik Baruch Goldst...Eitan, BK, if you condemn the Tzadik Baruch Goldstein then you must also condemn Yair Stern hy'd and David Raziel zt'l, to do otherwise would be hypocrisy of the highest order. <BR/><BR/>For Raziel and Stern both also religious Jews made it a point to kill civilians, following the Halachic injunction, in a time of war we kill the best of them(enemy nation).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-87051199817219761462008-04-12T22:08:00.000-07:002008-04-12T22:08:00.000-07:00There really is little difference between Messiani...There really is little difference between Messianic seders and pamphlets and Crusaders and Inquistions. The intent is the same- the eradication of the Jewish people through assimilation.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-23688067138369326472008-04-12T21:57:00.000-07:002008-04-12T21:57:00.000-07:00The "deadly results from Christianity's bloody pas...The "deadly results from Christianity's bloody past" has completely nothing to do with Christians that preach the gospel and move on but has everything to do with christians that forced themselves on another religion as one would rape a woman. That is an entirely different situation. One does not in any way, shape, or form equal the other. Someone who shares their faith with the people they meet is far different than someone who forces their religion on someone else or even someone who seeks people of any particular religion to "witness" to.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-24066662311009985832008-04-12T21:43:00.000-07:002008-04-12T21:43:00.000-07:00JM and Jason: I do not just condemn repeated missi...JM and Jason: I do not just condemn repeated missionizing- I condemn any missionizing efforts towards Jews. It reaks of anti-semitism. While you will deny it, it is based in the wicked doctrine of supercessionism, that G-d has replaced His covenant with the Jews with the sacrifice of JC. It says that Judaism has no right to exist which comes very close to saying that Jews have no right to exist. We can see the deadly results from Christianity's bloody past. <BR/><BR/>If a Jew would come to you asking about JC and Christianity, and you 'witness' to him, then you are perpetuating a spiritual holocaust against the Jewish people and I would consider you my enemy. Think about that.<BR/><BR/>KL: Where have I been remotely apologetic? You know my position with idolatry-peddlers.<BR/><BR/>As for Goldstein, I heard that it was in self-defense as the Arabs were planning a pogrom and where screaming 'itbach al-yahud'. If so, then I commend him. If that is false, I condemn him wholeheartedly.<BR/><BR/>Deborah: Pat Robertson and his ilk publically accused Jews of plotting to murder a pastor's son, without a shred of evidence. You have propagated this slander on your site. It is nothing short of a blood libel.<BR/><BR/>Nanc: I do not hate you at all. Far from it. If you pray for the peace of Jerusalem without any hope that Jews should become Christians, then you are a true friend. However, you have links on your site to apostate Jewish blogs which encourage Jews to abandon Judaism. You, again, are perpetuating spiritual genocide against us.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-16960216474894365372008-04-12T21:41:00.000-07:002008-04-12T21:41:00.000-07:00Hey bro I Meme'd you so whenever you get a chance,...Hey bro I Meme'd you so whenever you get a chance, feel free to either read my email or check out my blog for the directions.<BR/><BR/>Kahaneloyalist: I may have overreacted. You know I have nothing against you personally, bro!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-20617631219567073632008-04-12T21:10:00.000-07:002008-04-12T21:10:00.000-07:00b.k. you CANNOT gauge christian behavior with the...b.k. you CANNOT gauge christian behavior with the actions of a very few!<BR/><BR/>why do you endeavour to slander and put all of us in the same pot?<BR/><BR/>i have children who pray for the peace of jerusalem at least two times a day and then they want to know why YOU hate us?nanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826221747951050380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-39134875248098180602008-04-12T19:41:00.000-07:002008-04-12T19:41:00.000-07:00KL: You've got to be kidding, bro! You're justifyi...KL: You've got to be kidding, bro! You're justifying Baruch Goldstein's killing spree!? I hope that was a joke and if it was it wasn't funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-88563740694908477422008-04-12T18:42:00.000-07:002008-04-12T18:42:00.000-07:00Though we have certainly butted heads in the past ...Though we have certainly butted heads in the past I am in agreement with you on this Young Activist. That is a very poignant, mature, and responsible attitude. KL comments here only take into account a small and very specific set of commands for specific situations and does not take into account the whole scope of Torah teaching. The whole scope of the Torah teaches holiness and godliness and bringing the nations, all the nations, closer to God. It is not a story of condemnation, though some will be condemned, but rather a story of creation and the God who desires to be in communion with His Creation. Certainly Jews have the integral and leading part in that process but never as rulers and always as leaders.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-23973521300660210172008-04-12T18:27:00.000-07:002008-04-12T18:27:00.000-07:00With regard to Goldstein.I condemn the death of ev...With regard to Goldstein.<BR/><BR/>I condemn the death of every person in this conflict regardless of who the killed was and who was the killer was. I say that every death is signifigant and a tragedy, you say that only Jewish deaths matter and the rest were well deserved. This is the difference between you and me. I am a universalist and you are a tribalist.<BR/><BR/>Tribalism has had its day. Take a lesson from the dead nothing good has ever come from tribalism.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who praises horrible acts of needless violence has no right to condemn suicide bombings or missionaries.Progressive Pinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14464725288335587328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-46099407181519178152008-04-11T17:12:00.000-07:002008-04-11T17:12:00.000-07:00Christianity is not about convincing others to con...Christianity is not about convincing others to convert or to change but rather is about sharing what God has done. I personally apologize for those who missionize in spite of being rejected. I would echo the same sentiments as Jungle Mom concerning these people.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-89338406190595517982008-04-11T16:01:00.000-07:002008-04-11T16:01:00.000-07:00That is not Christian behavior. The New Testament ...That is not Christian behavior. The New Testament clearly teaches that if we preach the gospel and it is rejected we are to move on.<BR/>Anytime, any place a so called Christian acts like this, they are acting in sin!!!Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.com