tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post3654468393678076579..comments2023-11-03T05:51:16.392-07:00Comments on For Zion's Sake: It is Not in the Heavens!Avihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-52695393301946600312008-03-29T23:47:00.000-07:002008-03-29T23:47:00.000-07:00plenty of Palestinian Christians?ROFLMAO and while...plenty of Palestinian Christians?<BR/><BR/>ROFLMAO and while I'm at it trying to find one Palestinian Christian who wouldn't be afraid to venture into "The Palestinian Territories." Almost all have sought asylum by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-20424657684816352252008-03-27T14:21:00.000-07:002008-03-27T14:21:00.000-07:00Jason, you could try developping a victim mentalit...Jason, you could try developping a victim mentality, demand EU and UN handouts, hate all Infidels, especially those Jewish sons of pigs and monkeys, and once in a while throw stones at Israeli soldiers. <BR/><BR/>YA, is that what you had in mind? Not to mention, whine a lot and do everything possible to hurt yourself.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-26220931164140165452008-03-27T11:41:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:41:00.000-07:00There are plenty of Palestinian Christians. I am ...There are plenty of Palestinian Christians. I am not talking about their religous lifestyle I am talking about the misery they endure on a daily basis. Pvert, war, hunger, etc.Progressive Pinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14464725288335587328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-46004712065047913852008-03-27T10:45:00.000-07:002008-03-27T10:45:00.000-07:00YA -- how might I go about doing that? My knowled...YA -- how might I go about doing that? My knowledge of Judaism is much greater than my knowledge of Islam.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-33828613770275456212008-03-27T07:24:00.000-07:002008-03-27T07:24:00.000-07:00When your done walking a mile in BK's shoes why do...When your done walking a mile in BK's shoes why don't you walk a mile in a Palestinians shoes?Progressive Pinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14464725288335587328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-4526480705838849862008-03-25T18:45:00.000-07:002008-03-25T18:45:00.000-07:00This choice to attempt to eat kosher is not a conv...This choice to attempt to eat kosher is not a conviction but rather a choice. Kind of like walking a mile in someone else's shoes.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-36812521008231049542008-03-25T17:57:00.001-07:002008-03-25T17:57:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-39399560196775318072008-03-25T17:57:00.000-07:002008-03-25T17:57:00.000-07:00Jason, Torah is a paradox. It is an Absolute Truth...Jason, Torah is a paradox. It is an Absolute Truth, of course. The point of this whole post was that G-d does not simply dictate to us and expect usd to blindly submit, as is the case in Islam, for example. G-d made us partners with Him in creation and we must build halacha, which literally means 'walking' or 'the path'. No man can contradict the Torah but me must apply its principles to our life.<BR/><BR/>As for kashrut, I do not see why you should. Under Jewish law, it is forbidden to add extra strictures to yourself. As a non-Jew, you have no obligation to keep kosher. Enjoy what G-d allowed you to eat. But if you want to, good luck.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-26412434280387668122008-03-25T16:09:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:09:00.000-07:00By the way, Daniel has challenged me to attempt to...By the way, Daniel has challenged me to attempt to eat kosher for a month and so I am going to attempt to eat kosher for the month of april. He actually challenged me to eat kosher for 60 days but I have committed to trying it for a month. Please pray for me to be able to do this.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-64983467454264117852008-03-25T16:03:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:03:00.000-07:00BK -- that was a very good and enlightening articl...BK -- that was a very good and enlightening article. I will have to read it a couple of more times to take it all in. Upon first reading I am struck by the idea that our difference in thinking may be grounded in the idea that I see God and His workings with man in the light of absolute truth while the study of Torah seems to view truth as much less concrete.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-49790311799394505992008-03-25T15:40:00.000-07:002008-03-25T15:40:00.000-07:00I actually see Jason's point in this case. Shimshi...I actually see Jason's point in this case. <BR/><BR/>Shimshi: Do you realize what you're saying when you write: "<I>Actually, G-d's opinion is no longer relevant as Torah law became the sole domain of the Jewish people."</I><BR/><BR/>Of course Jason is going to chime in and prove you wrong. You really are making an oxymoron- if you will. Oh, and on a positive note, I will keep the Shabbat this time. I want to go back to what I was doing before my trip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-7794142092779506282008-03-25T09:49:00.000-07:002008-03-25T09:49:00.000-07:00See this article: The Murky Truth about Truthwww.c...See this article: The Murky Truth about Truth<BR/><BR/>www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/216477/jewish/The-Murky-Truth-About-Truth.htmAvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-27006944816374460942008-03-25T09:16:00.000-07:002008-03-25T09:16:00.000-07:00I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the differe...I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the differences in what you say. First you say this --<BR/><BR/>"From this we derive the principle that the Torah is no longer in heaven, but that G-d gave it to man to interpret and to follow. With this verse, G-d gave us the power and authority to decide halacha, matters of Torah law. Actually, G-d's opinion is no longer relevant as Torah law became the sole domain of the Jewish people."<BR/><BR/>and then you say this --<BR/><BR/>"Let me make this clear: no man has the authority to rule contrary to G-d's Will. That is the flaw of the Reform movement. It every single "rabbi" declares it okay to eat nonkosher, as they have, or to break shabbat, or to marry goyyim, they couldn't cancel the Torah."<BR/><BR/>Who's opinion is true? Is it the opinion of God (which you said is no longer relevant) or the opinion of the rabbi? If you simply follow the teaching of the rabbi then how do you know if he is a good rabbi or a rabbi that is attempting to "cancel the Torah"? Let me be clear that I do not disparrage rabbis or Jewish rulers in general. I believe that most rabbis are men of God that seek to study the Torah and teach others what they have learned. I just think that it is a dangerous position to say that rabbis can't be wrong because they are the ones to whom God gave the ability to decide Torah matters. To me that is the foulest of idol worship because it is taking the word of man over the Word of God. Just as the people were doing in the time of Micah and God was angry with them for it.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-6531671252961574562008-03-25T08:44:00.000-07:002008-03-25T08:44:00.000-07:00I already chimed-in my two-cents worth...see my po...I already chimed-in my two-cents worth...see my post above - <A>"It is the performance of Hashem's mitzvot that develops intimacy with Him. The lack of obedience creates distance in a relationship, so the rabbis should be praised for their insight - not ridiculed!"</A><BR/><BR/>Does that count?Yehudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370713357407387725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-91823839153308903982008-03-25T07:35:00.000-07:002008-03-25T07:35:00.000-07:00I'm beginning to think that you're just being cont...I'm beginning to think that you're just being contrary for the sake ofbeing contrary. ;)<BR/><BR/>Let me make this clear: no man has the authority to rule contrary to G-d's Will. That is the flaw of the Reform movement. It every single "rabbi" declares it okay to eat nonkosher, as they have, or to break shabbat, or to marry goyyim, they couldn't cancel the Torah. The point is that when the rabbi act in the interests of G-d, according to the Torah, their words become the Will of G-d.<BR/><BR/>Psalm 82 A Psalm of Asaph. {N}<BR/>God standeth in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He judgeth:<BR/>2 'How long will ye judge unjustly, and respect the persons of the wicked? Selah<BR/>3 Judge the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and destitute.<BR/>4 Rescue the poor and needy; deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.<BR/>5 They know not, neither do they understand; they go about in darkness; {N}<BR/>all the foundations of the earth are moved.<BR/>6 I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.<BR/>7 Nevertheless ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.'<BR/>8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for Thou shalt possess all nations. <BR/><BR/>G-d sits among the judges because their verdict is divine. However, if they are corrupt, G-d will punish them. A corrupt verdict is considered as destroying G-d's world.<BR/><BR/>KL: I can't stand the slander of the rabbis. Yes, most are fools, but maybe one Jew will read this and be able to refute their accusations.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-83819463943498358152008-03-25T04:20:00.000-07:002008-03-25T04:20:00.000-07:00Wow -- great argument KL!!! Nothing beats saying ...Wow -- great argument KL!!! Nothing beats saying you're stupid so what you say doesn't matter whether it's in the scriptures or not. Was Micah stupid as well?Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-54531831420315228132008-03-25T02:29:00.000-07:002008-03-25T02:29:00.000-07:00BK, I am not sure I see the point in your debating...BK, I am not sure I see the point in your debating with the Notsrim, its like arguing with children. They have none of the background or even the most basic knowledge necessary for meaningful discussion. <BR/><BR/>All they can do is quote mistranslations of Sefarim their ancestors stole and they dont understand on even the lowest of levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-19224072128648168062008-03-25T02:26:00.000-07:002008-03-25T02:26:00.000-07:00The Notsrim have always believed we would run to f...The Notsrim have always believed we would run to follow their cult if they could only destroy the Rabbanim and the Talmud, so of course they will despise those who they believe shield us from worship of Yeshu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-31054134953239563332008-03-24T20:07:00.000-07:002008-03-24T20:07:00.000-07:00OK then let me bring a specific example to you. W...OK then let me bring a specific example to you. What about Israel in the time of the prophet Micah. During Micah's time the people of Israel were being corrupted and led astray not by the surrounding peoples or kings but by their own leaders. The source of the wickedness was the people who should have been watching out for Israel and keeping her holy. These were the rulers and leaders and priests. If they were telling Israel to do something then should they not by your thinking been speaking with the authority that God handed down to the leadership? Shouldn't their words have been the truth of heaven and not self-serving and evil? Yet all the time they were acting corruptly they were proclaiming that the LORD was with them and so they couldn't go wrong.<BR/><BR/>Micah 3:8-12<BR/><BR/> 8 But as for me, I am filled with power, with the Spirit of the LORD, and with justice and might, to declare to Jacob his transgression, to Israel his sin. <BR/><BR/> 9 Hear this, you leaders of the house of Jacob, you rulers of the house of Israel, who despise justice and distort all that is right; <BR/><BR/> 10 who build Zion with bloodshed, and Jerusalem with wickedness. <BR/><BR/> 11 Her leaders judge for a bribe, her priests teach for a price, and her prophets tell fortunes for money. Yet they lean upon the LORD and say, "Is not the LORD among us? No disaster will come upon us." <BR/><BR/> 12 Therefore because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-51926672179997606862008-03-24T19:30:00.000-07:002008-03-24T19:30:00.000-07:00I again am not sure to what you are refering. (Jew...I again am not sure to what you are refering. (Jewish minds must work differently. I frequently fidn myself unable to grasp your points. Just a different way of thinking.)<BR/><BR/>The people did not follow their religious leaders ie. Prophets and Torah scholars, but followed the false prophets of the Baal and other faiths. That was their great sin.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-81714832506272131692008-03-24T19:17:00.000-07:002008-03-24T19:17:00.000-07:00If what you have written here is indeed true then ...If what you have written here is indeed true then why did so many of the Old Testament prophets speak contrary to what the religious leaders of the time were saying and the people suffer because they followed their leaders and not God's prophets?Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7092397679011227919.post-38305381377645510222008-03-24T18:18:00.000-07:002008-03-24T18:18:00.000-07:00Well said, achi! Some like to mock the rabbis and ...Well said, achi! <A>Some like to mock the rabbis and call them hypocrites who prefer to focus on the trivial aspects of the law as opposed to its deeper purpose: intimacy with G-d.</A><BR/><BR/>It is the performance of Hashem's mitzvot that develops intimacy with Him. The lack of obedience creates distance in a relationship, so the rabbis should be praised for their insight - not ridiculed!<BR/><BR/>It is possible to lose focus on the <I>reason</I> we perform the mitvah...I know people who love to perform mitzvot for the "atta-boy" they inevitably get from others who notice, (and they make sure others notice!)...I find fault with that attitude. <BR/><BR/>G-d desires a pure heart and an attitude of gratitude, which stems from a life of loving obedience. Nice post, BK.Yehudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370713357407387725noreply@blogger.com